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Crucial,

I’m not trying to be rude here or anything but, there are clearly some mis-guided statements you keep throwing around.

First of all, you shouldn’t compared yours to grid service. Grid service (gs) is cloud computing sharing multiple servers being combined to one virtual server. Whereas split-shared is just, well just that, a split shared hosting in simple terms, a shared hosting inside a vps. So that’s a quite a bit of difference there and you are leading me to believe that you may want to re-read up on Cloud Computing.

When it comes to performance, zero-overselling shared hosting will outperform the so called split-shared. Only thing split-shared brings to the table is just isolation, but split-shared is not the only way to provide cpu/memory isolation per user. 

As for PCI compliance, a lot of our clients already either accept VISA/MC as well as have mcaffee/scanalert seal. It’s nothing new in this business and this goes to show you are spreading even more uninformed statements.

And why do you expect shared hosting to go out of business? I think ever since the lessons of ipowerweb/dreamhost, you’ll now see that not all companies are just stock LAMP setup. Some actually have proprietary technology that enables far more versatility and flexibility than split-shared. This includes real-time load-balancing, cpu/memory throttle, etc..... Is split-shared load-balanced??

And lastly, nice try on the budget diagram but it just goes to show that we are just running 2 different types of business in 2 totally different ways. We don’t lease our server , we have them all custom built piece by piece for sheer performance while helping us cut cost considerably. That is why going with server providers like SoftLayer is at its disadvantage, there is just no profit at the type of pricing you have to pay for to lease a high performance server and it’s why you have to raise the price high to have any kind of profit.

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Anyway before this topic goes any further OT, how can you explain that having an entire directory set to 777 be still considered secure?
That is a really bad practice to have. With the advent of suPHP, it is now commonly advised to users that the ‘chmod’ is now considered a dirty word. There is absolutely no reason for any web file to be set to 777.

SuPHP solves these problems for you and web applications will work like a web application, so what is it that you have about that is against suPHP environment? Personally, I wouldn’t risk any of our clients to have their magento setup to be on 777.

SimpleHelix.com - 31 July 2008 08:49 AM

First of all, you shouldn’t compared yours to grid service.

‘Misquoted the gs, my apologies - I was referring to the more high end products.’
http://weblog.mediatemple.net/weblog/2008/02/12/parallels-mt-is-one-of-the-largest-deployments-in-the-world/

As for PCI compliance, a lot of our clients already either accept VISA/MC as well as have mcaffee/scanalert seal. It’s nothing new in this business and this goes to show you are spreading even more uninformed statements.

Are you a PCI Compliant Service provider? 

QAS-D
A.1.1 - Does each entity have access to only its own cardholder data environment?
A.1.2 - Are each entities access and privileges restrticted to its own cardholder data environment?
A.1.3 - Are logging and audit trails enabled and unique to each entity’s cardholder data environment and consistent with DSS Requirement 10?

You will learn more about your responsibilities of hosting clients who accept VISA an Mastercard soon. 

Your statements and lack of knowledge about PCI Compliance show that you could be a ‘dangerous’ host who offers false sense of security for your clients.  If you are not PCI Compliant, neither are your clients.

And why do you expect shared hosting to go out of business?

I believe that PCI Compliance has the ability to destroy hosting companies at will through fines and disruption of payment systems.

Did you know that not all companies are just stock LAMP setup? Some actually have proprietary technology that enables far more versatility and flexibility than split-shared. This includes real-time load-balancing for whenever digg strikes, etc..... Is split-shared load-balanced??

Yes, I am aware of these technologies.  My guess is that you dont run anything like this and are simply trying to change the subject.

And lastly, nice try on the budget diagram but it just goes to show that we are just running 2 different types of business in 2 totally different ways. We don’t lease our server , we have them all custom built piece by piece for sheer performance while helping us cut cost considerably.

And how long to you have to keep that server to make up for long term costs and profit?  We’ll just turn our in the next time a faster server comes out and perform live migrations of our containers to the newer servers.

Two different models for certain - one ensures that you will be the proud own of outdated hardware in 6 months.  The second ensures that you always have the fastest available servers in the most robust, PCI Compliant Datacenter.

Do you run your own DC?  Is it PCI Compliant? 

That is why going with server providers like SoftLayer is at its disadvantage, there is just no profit at the type of pricing you have to pay for to lease a high performance server and it’s why you have to raise the price high to have any kind of profit.

You can be certain that Crucial will always have the latest hardware available - Very few would argue a server is not a depreciating asset and likely one of the fastest depreciations you can buy.  We would prefer to lease these server as opposed to have to maintain the machine long enough to make a profit back on an outdated server.  Just difference business models - not saying mine or yours is right, just different.

I’d prefer for you to just go back to your regular self promotion posts and leave our company out of your posts.  Your history precedes you and anyone capable of doing a search will quickly understand your ‘business model’. 

This will be our last response to this issue - take it somewhere else if you want to bash Crucial.

Wow, so let’s see here, now you are referring to as bashing now, I apologize if it may have seen that way.
All I was trying to get out of it was that if you or any other companies out there who have clients chmodding their entire folder to 777, need to toughen up their security with suPHP. If you took that the wrong way then I apologize. But no need to post any more mis-informations.

It seems this time, you are now comparing split-shared to (dv). Perhaps your Magento Containers is more like it but comparing it with your split-shared and (dv) are still apples to oranges. (I’m not bashing, just straight out facts)

And as for the PCI bit, you keep saying Shared Hosting is not pci compliance, then I ask you how hundreds of other hosting companies are pci compliant. It really is no any different than your split-shared. Statements like those are kind of like shooting your own foot there as we been pci compliant ever since we started back 3 years ago.

You make it sound like split-shared is the holy grail for web hosting but I assure you there are alternatives out there. Perhaps it is you who need to do some more research in this area. And it’s a bit brash making harsh judgements of shared hosting considering you have no idea what you are talking about. I’d love for you to find out how guys like 1and1/godaddy/hostgator/bluehost are all still in business, you’d guess it’s nothing short of a miracle .

As for about the hardware, you might want to do the math. At the rate you replace one server, we can afford to purchase 3 other more.

And I am not trying to change the subject, it seems you are the one who been dodging all the points I sent across. I wouldn’t mind diving in further as there are lots of things I’d like to discuss but I know this is not the place. I know we’ve had little quarrels here and there in the past but right now all I’m trying to do is just trying to help out one another, just trying to create a more robust and secured magento environment. And if you ever want to take this to PM then feel free to do so, I have no hard feelings with anybody.

But most of all, I’m just amazed at the type of responses I’m getting, I just didn’t expect such reactions when all I suggested was to use suPHP over mod_php, which is highly recommended for anyone running an online website.

Is anyone else getting tired of the continuous and irrelevant posting by the wanna be “Magento hosts” here?

Guys, take it outside. Christ - this is turning into the Crucial/simpleHelix/insert-other-wanna-be-Magento-host-here forums.

Why not just start outright SPAMMING the forums and wiki and be done with it already. Oh.....you already did SimpleHelix....I just nuked it after you did.